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and good afternoon from philadelphia

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frank here with yet

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another episode of ufo news network

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sunday

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uh we've got uh some news uh recent

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stuff coming up and then a deeper dive

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into the past

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so uh let's talk about what's going on

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right now

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uh within the last week or so the

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combination of

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george knapp and jeremy corbell

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released a video and a series of

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photographs

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uh that was leaked to them uh via

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apparently uh the the military

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that uh these uh uh images

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and uh video uh was in fact uh direct

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from the the inside and it

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got out and uh here's uh the pentagon

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confirmation i can confirm that the

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reference photos and videos

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were taken by navy personnel and

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the uaptf has included these

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incidents in their ongoing examinations

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let's take a closer look now uh first of

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uh some of the photographs

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that were included there's uh there's uh

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that one and

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take a good look at that i won't try to

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get into any kind of analysis

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until uh you know after we go through

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them

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you had the opportunity to look at the

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photographs there

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and uh let's also go to some video there

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were some additional

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excuse me uh there was uh some uh some

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additional photographs

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uh not a very good quality but

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this uh particular uh spherical object

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that appears to be uh going into the

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so uh that that was another uh this uh

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it was a three photographs was put

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together into sort of an animated gif

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uh by a fellow over at uh uh

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uh the twitter uh called uh calls

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himself signal

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so he did a nice job there getting a

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better idea of

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uh what that looks like again it's uh

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you know kind of unfortunate we don't

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have the video of that and it clearly

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came from a video

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and these aren't photographs and then uh

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that's basically it for that and then

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we had an additional video and i'm going

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to pull that up really quick hang on a

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this was a little bit more interesting

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in that there was a

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night vision uh

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looks like it was uh

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uh taken via cell phone through a night

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vision monocular

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and uh there you see uh this uh

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particular uh supposedly a ufo uh

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this one i have to admit uh when i first

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saw it

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it's pretty obvious folks that this is a

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sort of an ordinary aircraft

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you can see the the flashing and roughly

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it conforms to faa regulations

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uh the planes need uh flashing lights uh

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but uh cycling uh between uh

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40 and uh 100 times a minute and

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this is right on target with sort of the

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minimum there uh the 40 flashes per

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minute you can see it going uh

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you know just uh one every one and

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and uh yeah uh the the triangular shape

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i think uh this is accurate uh was uh uh

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boca affect the fact that it is a uh a

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camera taken through uh night vision

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you know i've seen that plenty of

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airplanes and in the sky

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with night watching and yeah as soon as

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that flashing pattern i recognized it

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immediately as sort of a normal aircraft

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you see that and that's uh that's about

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where that

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is i i don't believe that this is uh uh

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that what we're seeing here is any kind

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et spacecraft unfortunately uh this is a

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a normal plane now i do and i want to go

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to uh this article uh by uh

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tyler rugaway uh over at the drive and

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uh what he was saying

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is that uh uh well let me read what he

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has to say here

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we may not know the identities of all

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the mysterious craft

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that american personnel and others have

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been seeing in the skies as of late

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but i have seen more than enough

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to tell you that it is clear that a very

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terrestrial adversary is toying with us

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in our own backyard using uh relatively

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simple technologies

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drones and balloons and making off with

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what could be the biggest intelligence

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hall of a generation

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that may uh well that may be a

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disappointment

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uh us some who hope the origins of these

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all these events are far more exotic in

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the strategic implications of

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these bold operations uh which have been

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happening for years undeterred are

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absolutely massive

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uh the utter lack of vision and early

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robust interest in

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regards to this emerging threat will go

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one of the pentagon's biggest strategic

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missteps of our time

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uh the gross inaction and stigma

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surrounding unexplained aerial phenomena

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as a whole has led to what appears to be

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protect us

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and our most critical military

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technologies uh pointing to a massive

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in u.s military intelligence this is a

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blind spot

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we ourselves have literally created

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out of a cultural out of cultural taboos

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and a military industrial complex that

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is ill-suited

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to foresee and counter a lower end

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threat that is very hard to defend

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i think that's an awful lot of hyperbole

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and i will uh

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get to that uh what i would say my

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concern here is

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uh we do have uh these sort of uh that

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doesn't surprise me at all we do have

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that these sort of

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drone and uh uh balloon

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that we do know who it is and that we do

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know what these things are

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as far as this goes here but what i

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muddying of the waters in terms of the

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really extraordinary cases

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that we're not seeing it was sort of

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last year of some air force reports and

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that were kind of ordinary uh you know

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that could stop on a dime or could

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multi-mock speeds from a hovering

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ordinary aircraft uh one thing about the

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ufo uh phenomenon is we've been

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discussing it over the last few years

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is that that we've gotten away uh from

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uh some of the explanations that were

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canopy reflections um

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a planet uh atmospheric

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uh temperature inversions that type of

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thing other atmospheric effects

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some kind of a sighting uh we're getting

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away from that these are objects

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for sure uh but these are clearly uh

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these aren't the ufos that we're looking

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for as i said in our headline for the

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uh these uh these are drones

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these are balloons and i'm a little

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concerned since uh they almost certainly

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happen a lot more

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than the the truly exotic et related

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that any kind of ua ptf report

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those type of sightings those type of

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more exotic encounters

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might get well buried underneath a sort

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of this type of data now the idea that

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i think uh rogue away engages in uh

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an awful lot of hyperbole here strategic

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implications we're being toyed with

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the truth is that this sort of thing has

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has been going on a long time

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and more than that just recently because

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militaries have been using uh balloons

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it was the one that featured napoleon

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illustrations uh yeah here's one

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apparently from 1795.

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where you know balloons are being used

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drones are a more recent development uh

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some early drones

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ii uh for target practice but uh

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uh you know now we're seeing it and uh

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there's little uh there's little doubt

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uh that uh you know this is uh uh

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uh not really the serious problem that

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uh rogue away

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you know builds it up to be but uh what

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is this is a perhaps a bit of a threat

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to any kind of ufo disclosure

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that might take place through this ufo

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uh report that's uh going to the senate

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select committee

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uh yeah also uh balloons were used

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during the american civil war

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and uh well it is interesting he does

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take some shots

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at the pentagon it's a very interesting

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uh the union that

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uh the union army had a balloon core uh

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the southerners the confederacy couldn't

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even uh get their balloons off the

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ground they couldn't make a ball

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that would uh that would work

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effectively but the north did

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but unfortunately the uh the core was

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disbanded for a number of different

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the balloonists themselves uh weren't uh

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military they were private contractors

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so uh there were a couple issues there

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caught they could be executed as spies

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which you certainly don't want

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and uh number two was uh because there

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were private contractors they got paid

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better than the

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military officers and that created some

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uh there were some issues that uh you

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know that they

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they didn't want to use it but after the

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war a a confederate officer was saying

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i could never figure out why they

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stopped the balloon core it was very

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effective it caused us to have to do

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things differently

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and uh so there's that that that's

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getting a little bit off track but

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i think it is uh an interesting point to

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talk about a little bit

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and then uh yeah let's uh let's go

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and uh let's let's talk about that where

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uh rogue away is talking about uh

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uh toying with the military here

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and uh let's bring up another video uh

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yeah here it is here let's uh bring up

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this one and uh let's uh let's take a

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look at this so uh

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we see uh the military uh being toyed

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with

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yeah we do uh we do uh

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these are uh these are migs uh basically

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flying right close to uh

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in the broad daylight uh basically

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buzzing american ships uh

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so i mean what are we talking about here

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uh we're this is a

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uh this is this failure this is this uh

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well here they are in broad daylight

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literally buzzing american ships and

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uh actually uh this was uh one thing

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when we had

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uh the uh the guys from the princeton

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and the nimitz uh we had

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uh kevin day gary voorhees uh

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jason turner and pj wright on

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and also when we interviewed paco

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chirichi

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uh one of the things that i asked about

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both

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goes on kind of regularly

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how does this uh juxtapose with these uh

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ufo uh sightings that are out there i

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mean how do these things get so close

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and why is this the case and uh

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gary his answer was the reason that we

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we're not shooting at these things

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is that their weapons aren't activated

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that we can electronically read

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uh whether or not there's a weapons lock

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from these planes on our ships so we

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don't shoot at them

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we let them buzz us and i would mention

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that

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this kind of thing goes on all the time

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and we do the same thing

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so uh uh rest assured if there are

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chinese fleets

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and uh russian fleets uh military fleet

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says sailing

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look we're we're using uh the same types

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of things whether it's drones or

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balloons or

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uh you know whatever the case may be uh

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our own aircraft

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uh we're uh we're keeping a good recon

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on them and i

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i think that uh rogue away is getting a

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little bit here i

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don't think that uh they're quite as in

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the dark

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as uh they're uh meaning the pentagon

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here

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they're quite as in the dark as uh

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they're uh

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as they're as indicating in this uh as

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we lead up to this

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ua ptf report so

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i think uh that is about that a couple

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other comments about

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uh the uh the release

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of uh the the video and the i want to

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get to one other

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thing here uh but uh one other thing

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about uh the release

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uh and uh that is uh nap and uh corbell

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deserve a lot of credit i mean they

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didn't sit on this stuff

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they got the material they got it out

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and that basically hey

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look a lot of people don't like uh the

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way uh

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that that knapp and corbell have

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interpreted uh the material that they've

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released

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i have to admit i don't agree with them

387
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like i said i don't think

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there's any question uh that the one

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video uh the night vision video is that

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clearly a uh plain and then there's a

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slim

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possibility that it might be one of

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these drones outfitted

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which would be easy enough to do if you

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can build an advanced drone you can

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certainly

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uh outfit it with nav lights uh designed

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to essentially mimic uh what the

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ordinary aircraft have just as a way of

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camouflaging their actions that type of

401
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thing

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so i i don't think uh and they've uh

403
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they've sort of tried to back these

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as uh as uh you know a definitely uh

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extraterrestrial

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uh craft and uh yeah i don't think

407
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that's the case

408
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but let's go to uh

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hang on a sec here we're getting a

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problem okay there

411
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there it is uh and then let's go back to

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the signal

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i am a little bit interested in uh this

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particular

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uh uh gif uh uh rogue away uh sort of

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brushes it off as a balloon he might be

417
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right but i there's not enough to go

418
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here

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and this uh trans-medium thing is uh

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like i said before

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uh it is a uh something that is of some

422
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interest that we

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do have that uh aguadilla case uh as a

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as a comparison

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and uh yeah let's uh let's

426
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hold off on that uh but as far as the

427
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night vision video is concerned

428
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there's there's no doubt in my mind it

429
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is either a plane

430
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i think that's a 99.9 percent uh

431
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likely that that's what it is or

432
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possibly it is one of these uh

433
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uh one of these uh reconnaissance drones

434
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from a foreign power

435
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that was obviously uh dressed up to

436
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appear like a plane with uh navilites

437
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and all that so uh

438
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there's basically that now uh so uh

439
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that's that

440
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uh i'm glad that the oh no i got the one

441
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more thing i want to get to

442
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uh it's good that the this uh entire uh

443
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this package is uh i've gotten a lot of

444
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attention

445
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uh definitely like that and uh we uh we

446
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hope to see more

447
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:46,800
but again i'm a little concerned that

448
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the uh truly extraordinary uh

449
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:53,600
material is uh gonna sort of get buried

450
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:57,279
underneath this uh uh underneath this uh

451
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,959
deluge of fairly ordinary uh drones uh

452
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,720
fairly ordinary balloons

453
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as a way of reconnaissance so yeah let

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me uh

455
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,880
all right we're gonna go to this uh this

456
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fellow uh gaddy schwartz

457
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and uh we're gonna have to let this play

458
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:15,360
out i'll let this play out silently and

459
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:15,760
then

460
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volume

461
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:25,590
messy material in there so let's hang on

462
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a sec here but here's the thing about

463
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[Music]

464
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,150
okay so that's that uh we've been

465
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hearing uh about uh some additional uh

466
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:01,200
even better than this uh video that's uh

467
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,799
uh that they've gotten any well of

468
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:04,880
course again it depends on what the

469
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:05,840
video is of

470
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:07,679
uh did they get that close to these kind

471
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of drones or balloons

472
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or with some of this video are we

473
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actually seeing you know uh something

474
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that uh

475
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uh possesses uh otherworldly flight

476
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capabilities uh that we don't know

477
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so uh we'll we'll see uh we're getting

478
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close to uh this report now i guess it's

479
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a

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uh uh the most concerned i've been in

481
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terms of uh getting the kind of

482
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information that we'd like to see

483
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,640
uh regarding et driven

484
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:46,400
ufos that's uh that's what we're

485
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:48,960
interested in uh we're not interested in

486
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uh gamesmanship out on the high seas

487
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amongst superpowers

488
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okay that uh i'm not saying that's not

489
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important

490
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but what we're really interested in is

491
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uh we're interested

492
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in et driven ufos and uh we can't say

493
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for sure

494
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uh if what uh i guess uh the the one

495
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that you could say that is the most

496
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likely to be that's nimitz case and then

497
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the roosevelt case

498
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:16,160
and again it's not necessarily because

499
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of the uh

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because of the the videos that were

501
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released that

502
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would be because of a combination of the

503
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videos and also the witness accounts

504
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and we're not getting any additional

505
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witness accounts with any of this new

506
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material we're

507
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getting it and we're seeing what we're

508
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seeing so

509
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:36,080
that's basically that it is interesting

510
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,039
and again

511
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,600
knapp and corbell do deserve credit for

512
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uh releasing uh what they've got

513
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:45,039
uh and also uh they obviously

514
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they have the right to express whatever

515
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,120
opinions uh that they have on them

516
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,840
but i'm not seeing uh anything that

517
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:52,720
jumps out

518
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,520
at me is otherworldly in fact i think

519
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:57,600
what we're seeing so far is uh quite

520
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:58,720
terrestrial

521
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:02,240
except uh possibly that uh that sphere

522
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,440
going into the water

523
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:05,200
maybe but we don't have enough on that

524
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,000
to say so uh that's that and let's move

525
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,240
backwards in time further back although

526
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:11,760
we we did talk a little bit

527
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,720
about the uh the napoleonic wars and uh

528
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,080
we're not uh

529
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,640
we're not gonna go back quite that far

530
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:20,320
but we are going to go back in time

531
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,840
uh to uh the immediate post-roswell era

532
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:25,840
and uh maybe a little bit before that

533
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:32,630
so recently uh john greenwald and

534
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,600
this is uh pretty interesting i think uh

535
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,200
uh

536
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,799
some of the comments that have been made

537
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,280
by uh former uh people involved

538
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,480
in the high-ranking uh government uh and

539
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,880
intel positions and pentagon positions

540
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,480
have been uh making some interesting

541
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:50,159
comments and the normally useless

542
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,360
greenwald

543
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:54,400
had james woolsey who had been the cia

544
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:55,120
director

545
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,640
uh back in the 90s on his show

546
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,039
to plug a book but basically greenwald

547
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:02,640
got in one question

548
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,919
about the the the ufo topic and uh it's

549
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:07,919
uh pretty interesting uh what uh

550
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,280
uh what woolsey had to say especially in

551
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:12,559
light of uh

552
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,520
recent comments uh uh by john brennan

553
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:16,720
who was also uh

554
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,559
an intel guy uh basically uh

555
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,520
what he said was i'm not as skeptical as

556
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,760
i was

557
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,080
a few years ago to put it mildly

558
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,679
something is going on

559
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,400
i hope we that we can be friendly and

560
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,919
able to deal with

561
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:36,320
a wide range of behavior in terms of

562
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,200
dealing

563
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,000
with our fellow human beings or with

564
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,919
other creatures if they exist

565
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,240
and i think we ought to be open to that

566
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,280
possibility

567
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,080
or open to new possibilities so i

568
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,919
thought that was a very interesting uh

569
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,520
because we're still getting uh

570
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,880
uh from uh people like uh uh uh

571
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:57,520
well now uh woolsey has been added marco

572
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,080
rubio

573
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,320
has alluded to the possibility uh that

574
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,480
some of these ufos are e.t

575
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,440
uh and uh ratcliffe as well uh we uh

576
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:06,480
talked in a lot of

577
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,440
detail about uh his comments about the

578
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,039
comments from both those guys

579
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:14,159
and uh it's uh it is interesting and

580
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,960
that uh

581
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,880
what uh what has happened recently uh

582
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,400
with tony bragalia's

583
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,760
uh uh foyer uh request uh being granted

584
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:23,440
and the uh

585
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:26,080
the release uh regarding material

586
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,120
studies

587
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:30,000
by the atip program i think it's

588
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:30,960
interesting

589
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:39,029
in the post-roswell era material

590
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,080
advancement

591
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,600
simply skyrocketed and uh i think i i

592
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:45,200
found some reasons for that

593
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:48,559
in the past uh i've uh talked about

594
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,320
uh how the uh titanium industry was

595
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,080
essentially underwritten

596
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,559
by the the military and this happened

597
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:58,400
and it was jump started

598
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,919
in uh uh late 1948 a year and a half

599
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,039
after roswell

600
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,720
so let's go back a little earlier what

601
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,159
we've got a picture here

602
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,360
is of a uh messerschmitt

603
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,559
jet this was the first operational jet

604
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,600
uh ever uh during world war

605
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,400
ii uh the brits were also working on

606
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,679
jets as well

607
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,000
but this was the the first that was used

608
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:23,760
during the war and that was up in the

609
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:24,240
air

610
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:27,520
and operational and uh it

611
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:30,960
it is interesting that uh the jets were

612
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,360
not

613
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,679
very functional and part of that problem

614
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:36,400
was the alloys that the engines were

615
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,039
made from

616
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,760
uh simply broke down uh the the the uh

617
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:40,720
they broke down

618
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:43,840
they got maybe a hundred hours

619
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,039
of usage out of those engines okay

620
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,320
so uh basically uh the the engines

621
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,640
had to be rebuilt or replaced within a

622
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,799
hundred hours of usage now that

623
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:57,360
that's not very practical obviously

624
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,919
another

625
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,400
issue that the the nazis were having as

626
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,240
far as these jets that were concerned

627
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:05,440
is that they didn't have enough nickel

628
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:05,840
or

629
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,919
and so uh i think uh one thing that does

630
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,600
is it sort of puts the lie

631
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,919
uh to some of the the folks that are uh

632
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,760
making

633
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,480
you know tall claims about the nazis and

634
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,559
having anti-gravity bells and things

635
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,279
like that

636
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,120
uh they they couldn't keep their jets up

637
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,880
in the air more than a hundred hours so

638
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,320
how they were building uh

639
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,440
uh you know these anti-gravity bells i

640
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,400
have no idea

641
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,760
uh obviously that the that's just pure

642
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,360
fiction that's pure fantasy

643
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,600
uh because the reality is uh they

644
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:41,279
weren't able to keep the the jets up in

645
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,760
the air

646
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,080
uh but we all know that uh since uh

647
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,120
those days

648
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,640
uh what we had was uh an improvement in

649
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,200
the technology uh to build those uh uh

650
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:52,880
to build those jet engines

651
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,679
and uh a couple things uh happened in

652
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,600
the uh the immediate years after

653
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,080
uh roswell uh you can say it was because

654
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,679
uh hey we wanted to build the jet

655
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,880
engines but uh

656
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,360
also is it possible that uh the recipe

657
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:06,880
was sort of laid out

658
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,159
uh for uh uh for us uh by uh the roswell

659
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,440
craft the improved

660
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:14,960
uh strength and purity and uh

661
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,440
and the durability of the the material

662
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,720
found at roswell

663
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:21,520
gave us some ideas uh that we were able

664
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,080
to

665
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,960
uh you know build these uh these super

666
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,840
alloys and

667
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,000
i talked at some length about the

668
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,760
advancement in super alloys

669
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:32,000
but now i want to talk a little bit

670
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,960
about

671
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:35,200
the advancement in the manufacturing

672
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:36,159
processes

673
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,000
now these are very important uh because

674
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:42,159
obviously you've got uh you've got to

675
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:43,039
build uh

676
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,310
and uh you you ha you have to build them

677
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:54,960
and uh it's not that it's not easy to

678
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,760
create super alloys so what we needed

679
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:58,960
was we needed some

680
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:01,440
advancement in the manufacturing process

681
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:02,080
and

682
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,000
i don't expect that that the recipe was

683
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:08,240
those instructions came down with the

684
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,279
roswell craft

685
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,039
that we had to figure it out

686
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:13,840
independently so uh one of the things uh

687
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,200
that was uh uh developed was the uh

688
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,320
vacuum injected uh

689
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,600
vacuum injected molding uh furnaces

690
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,400
and uh these uh vim furnaces now the

691
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,760
first one was made

692
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,159
back in the 1920s it was actually made

693
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,080
by a northrop corporation

694
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,679
uh in the united states another

695
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,919
prototype was made over in germany

696
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,640
but it didn't beca this process didn't

697
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,159
become commercialized

698
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:44,000
again uh this was a uh this was uh

699
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,520
you know these were these were

700
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,760
prototypes these were just ideas

701
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,720
but there was no uh real use for the

702
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,080
idea so it

703
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:54,400
kind of laid dormant for a while uh sort

704
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,520
of like

705
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,559
with uh with william kroll's

706
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,880
development of a process to extract

707
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:01,919
titanium

708
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,039
uh from its ore he

709
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,640
traveled to the united states in the

710
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,039
1930s in an attempt to try to

711
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,600
pitch that to industry here and it was

712
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,559
rejected

713
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:15,039
basically because again it's a very

714
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,000
expensive

715
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,039
and they had no idea what to do with it

716
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,440
it wasn't until the military came along

717
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:23,919
and uh provided a profit margin

718
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,360
uh for uh the the company the rem crew

719
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,440
which was uh the company that was formed

720
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:30,960
uh subsidiary

721
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,600
of of dupont uh that uh

722
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,760
that uh you know hey well we can make a

723
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,600
profit we'll make this stuff for you

724
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,360
and uh that's uh basically what happened

725
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,159
there uh but uh vacuum injection molding

726
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:45,440
uh furnaces are

727
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,279
are uh were one a way of creating these

728
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,039
uh super alloys uh they're

729
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,480
and they're not that big because we're

730
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:54,159
not talking about that creating huge

731
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,880
parts here

732
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,960
uh we're talking about that creating uh

733
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,960
uh just a

734
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,440
very uh super you know a very small

735
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:02,480
special

736
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,559
not talking about anything uh

737
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,159
you know gigantic we're not talking

738
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,320
about creating uh entire planes

739
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,880
with this type of material and also a

740
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,520
hot ass

741
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,799
isostatic pressing which was a

742
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:19,279
process developed by the battal memorial

743
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,080
institute

744
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:23,200
and they of course were also uh uh

745
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,919
created a number of uh uh of of uh

746
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,679
of the the super alloys that i've been

747
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,080
talking about so uh this advancement was

748
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:34,399
huge and it wasn't necessarily

749
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,399
uh uh kept entirely uh for a jet engines

750
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,520
uh used by the military obviously that

751
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:44,080
filtered out into the private sector and

752
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:44,880
uh by

753
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,399
the early 1950s uh they were all

754
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,880
already had commercial jet flights uh

755
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,480
now the british jumped ahead of the

756
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,399
americans on this and it was uh

757
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,840
uh their uh they were the the first ones

758
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,080
uh boac were the first ones to have

759
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,000
uh jet flights but uh there were still

760
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,480
some problems uh the uh the american

761
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,360
uh uh aircraft manufacturers took more

762
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:09,120
of a wait and see attitude because it

763
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,000
was new tech

764
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,000
so they didn't jump uh jump right into

765
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,760
that game they didn't get into it

766
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:16,480
until uh more of the late 50s uh but you

767
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,360
can see

768
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,399
that there was this enormous uh rush

769
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,960
uh to uh in that towards uh metallurgy

770
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,080
and technology

771
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,039
uh not uh not just uh the the

772
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,399
development of nitinol

773
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,520
and the very uh roughly 1960 not

774
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:34,080
just uh the formation of the titanium

775
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,799
industry

776
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,840
in 1948 uh what uh

777
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:40,880
year after roswell what you had is

778
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,480
this uh enormous uh rush towards uh

779
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,919
super alloys and then

780
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:48,320
of course uh the necessity of uh

781
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,120
developing

782
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:52,080
improved manufacturing processes uh to

783
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:53,039
keep the

784
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,000
metals as pure as possible

785
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,120
as uh uncorrupt as possible by uh uh

786
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,559
atmospheric uh

787
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,799
uh contamination that type of thing so

788
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,760
uh that is

789
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,960
why uh that has happened uh and uh

790
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,960
you know it is uh very interesting uh

791
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,600
we've uh heard in the past in uh

792
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,840
interviews uh from robert bigelow he

793
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,720
thinks that

794
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,039
the et material was actually

795
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,360
manufactured in a weightless environment

796
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,919
one step beyond you know hot isostatic

797
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,720
pressing or

798
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:27,039
vacuum induction molding that type of

799
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,320
thing so

800
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,320
it's even uh further out than that at

801
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:31,760
least he's speculating we don't know

802
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:32,399
what he

803
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:36,720
the jacques valley book

804
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,679
uh it's coming out in uh next month so

805
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,960
we'll see what's in there

806
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:43,360
it's going to be largely about materials

807
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,000
uh and

808
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,760
we'll be waiting for that uh we'll be

809
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,039
waiting for the

810
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,080
up ua ptf report

811
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,480
coming out the following month hopefully

812
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:53,600
so we've got

813
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,120
a lot coming out and uh we'll see i've

814
00:31:00,389 --> 00:31:00,080
expressed some concern obviously uh with

815
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,399
the

816
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,320
uh possibly uh up uapta

817
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,519
a report being uh somewhat muddied up

818
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,559
by a fairly uh ordinary uh drone

819
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,000
and uh balloon encounters uh uh for uh

820
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,000
reconnaissance from foreign powers

821
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,640
uh we'll see what happens there but uh

822
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,240
at the end of the day

823
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,799
whatever the case may be uh we'll be

824
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,240
finding out new stuff

825
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,159
and i think it will be interesting so

826
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:27,760
that's all we've got the short show

827
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,480
today

828
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,799
and uh my delivery might have been a

829
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,000
little ragged but

830
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,919
you know i don't have a chance here like

831
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,919
always uh to keep me uh just

832
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,159
you know to keep the keep the flow going

833
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,519
while i'm jumping from

834
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,279
item to item that's been a while since

835
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,960
i've done one of these kind of shows

836
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,559
but uh basically uh there's your

837
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,240
information and that's

838
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:48,559
what we've got time for and uh one thing

839
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,679
i can say for sure

840
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,360
is that we will be back and we'll have

841
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:53,440
future shows uh thank you very much for